Curse

Gambit Shinobi · Jan 11, 2008, 02:11 PM // 14:11

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Originally Posted by Oofus

There are still multiple people out there trading with trade windows full of duped Armbraces, you think a few gems can do any more damage than that? The economy is allready fubar.

Agreed.

80% of the "elite" and "rich" players are cheaters, dupers, exploiters, and/or "hackers." 10% are lucky they got rare minis and became wealthy overnight. The other 10% actually worked for their wealth legit.

Holly Herro · Jan 11, 2008, 02:22 PM // 14:22

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Originally Posted by Gambit Shinobi

Agreed.

80% of the "elite" and "rich" players are cheaters, dupers, exploiters, and/or "hackers." 10% are lucky they got rare minis and became wealthy overnight. The other 10% actually worked for their wealth legit.

Hehe, more like 80% are cheats, 19% got rich over night and 1% worked for it xD

Gambit Shinobi · Jan 11, 2008, 02:27 PM // 14:27

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Originally Posted by Holly Herro

Hehe, more like 80% are cheats, 19% got rich over night and 1% worked for it xD

Then I'd fall into that 1% (I don't consider myself "rich" in GW though)... But seriously, I do believe that there's actually a good amount of people who actually got rich legit. It's just sad most didn't.

Keithark · Jan 11, 2008, 02:40 PM // 14:40

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Originally Posted by Coridan

yeah there is no longer any thrill in the game for me... I am a low end casual player who likes to go after rare items... there are non in GW except for asian minis...which the market for controlled by an elite group of players...there for no casual/semi hardcore player can ever afford one... I have well over 1 million gold./ectos and still consider myself casual...not a beginner...but not a hard core player either with 5-6 hrs logged in daily..more like 5-6hrs a week....and now i don't even do that

Can I have your stuff?

LifeInfusion · Jan 11, 2008, 03:36 PM // 15:36

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

armor costs 1.5k per piece

armor costs 1k + insignia per piece

where've you been

Solus Spartan · Jan 11, 2008, 03:40 PM // 15:40

There was another awesome exploit? And AGAIN I missed out..

No guild hall glitch.

Now I miss the make me rich rich glitch.

ARGHH!!

King's Spectre · Jan 11, 2008, 04:38 PM // 16:38

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Originally Posted by Solus Spartan

There was another awesome exploit? And AGAIN I missed out..

No guild hall glitch.

Now I miss the make me rich rich glitch.

ARGHH!!

Count your blessings.. the exploiters got banned this time.

I agree with everyone else.. as long as folks are wandering around with stacks of braces, who cares about economy.

Feathermoore Rep · Jan 11, 2008, 05:12 PM // 17:12

I knew the duped armbraces were/are still out there, but I just wanted get other opinions.

And looking through the other thread a few people had farmed over 15+ armbraces each. Asuming everyone did the same amount thats easily over 1500 armbraces...thats a few stacks of armbraces, considering one person could easily have duped this. I guess the real question is how many stacks of armbraces still exist/didnt get deleted from the duping period.

I guess still seeing how the economy is already a messed up as it is, its probably right that it won't have an effect.

Cuthroat Dibbler · Jan 11, 2008, 05:17 PM // 17:17

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Originally Posted by King's Spectre

. as long as folks are wandering around with stacks of braces......

And sadly you nail it right there. As a result of previous exploits and bugs and the inefficient way it was handled, there are stlll 100's of armbraces in game.

(they shouldnt have been allowed to stack. I mean, if Runes - and we've been asking for that for years - wont, why should an Armbrace?)

Since some of the more high profile dupes and exploits were uncovered its become evident that much of the high end economy has been artificial for months and months AND months. In my view the economy is in an irreparable state. Many items have been lost to thegame forever and I would wager even ANet has NO idea just what exactly HAS been taken out.

So, we have a gimped economy, a stock that has little to no accurate record and a residual core of people that can STILL and DO unbalance the economy with fake/illegal goods.

The same Guilds and players come back time and again and f*** us. The same people move to Alt accts to do it all over again and again. I for one am bored of it. To hear exploits have been KNOWN and in exisitence for 6 months or more, ultimately creates the straw that breaks the back. My resolve is now broken.

I have 3 more monuments to get and 2 minis for my HoM, once theyre in place Im now out. Ive read and heard enough to give up the longer game.

Ive realised that much of what I aspired to is truly and totally unobtainable to me no matter how long I play. So ... why bother? Ill wait til GW2 and see what happens.

Alex Morningstar · Jan 11, 2008, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by Cuthroat Dibbler

And sadly you nail it right there. As a result of previous exploits and bugs and the inefficient way it was handled, there are stlll 100's of armbraces in game.

(they shouldnt have been allowed to stack. I mean, if Runes - and we've been asking for that for years - wont, why should an Armbrace?)

Since some of the more high profile dupes and exploits were uncovered its become evident that much of the high end economy has been artificial for months and months AND months. In my view the economy is in an irreparable state. Many items have been lost to thegame forever and I would wager even ANet has NO idea just what exactly HAS been taken out.

So, we have a gimped economy, a stock that has little to no accurate record and a residual core of people that can STILL and DO unbalance the economy with fake/illegal goods.

The same Guilds and players come back time and again and f*** us. The same people move to Alt accts to do it all over again and again. I for one am bored of it. To hear exploits have been KNOWN and in exisitence for 6 months or more, ultimately creates the straw that breaks the back. My resolve is now broken.

I have 3 more monuments to get and 2 minis for my HoM, once theyre in place Im now out. Ive read and heard enough to give up the longer game.

Ive realised that much of what I aspired to is truly and totally unobtainable to me no matter how long I play. So ... why bother? Ill wait til GW2 and see what happens.

Kinda like the real economy?

Seriously, it's part of the economy that people will use greed to get money or power. The only thing you can do is hope the governing body of an economy (Anet in this case) has a plan for when this happens.

Which, lol. I doubt it.

Firebaall · Jan 11, 2008, 05:27 PM // 17:27

Anet should scan player's inventories.

5+ armbraces = deleted

It's painfully obvious (especially with that last bidding war on the panda in high end) that there's massive ill gained "wealth". Very few dupers were punished as were only a few Mallyx cheaters.

I don't think Anet really cares all that much about the "economy" anymore, or they'd actually put forth an honest effort to clean it up.

Phoenix Tears · Jan 11, 2008, 05:46 PM // 17:46

anet should have imo really instatly deleted all armbraces after the doa exploit... would have been the best way to avoid inflation and the broken economy that we have now ...

netniwk · Jan 11, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

anet should have imo really instatly deleted all armbraces after the doa exploit... would have been the best way to avoid inflation and the broken economy that we have now ...

yea,totaly not. Only a few % of the armbraces are duped ones, no need to punish innocent people.And I highly doubt (if they did deleted all armbraces) the economy would be better off now.

Lady S Shiva · Jan 11, 2008, 06:40 PM // 18:40

gem and armb price will keep dropping until they nerf ursan

silara_jorinset · Jan 11, 2008, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

zaishen was already the final blow imo ^^

Just for the un-informed like myself (was away for a lot of Christmas), what was the economy breaking zaishan chest exploit?

Drake Keyotte · Jan 11, 2008, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by Firebaall

Anet should scan player's inventories.

5+ armbraces = deleted

It's painfully obvious (especially with that last bidding war on the panda in high end) that there's massive ill gained "wealth". Very few dupers were punished as were only a few Mallyx cheaters.

I don't think Anet really cares all that much about the "economy" anymore, or they'd actually put forth an honest effort to clean it up.

I saw this bidding and had to wonder if it was real. Its obivous, stacks and stacks of armbraces being put up for an item. I wondered if it was real?

Ctb · Jan 11, 2008, 07:09 PM // 19:09

There is no economy to speak of in Guild Wars, there hasn't been for years, and the design of the game never really allowed a sustainable one to exist anyway. I don't know how people who play this game have managed to convince themselves there's some bubbling economic brew underlying their trades, but there isn't. The only meaningful items in the game are all available through money sinks. The few exceptions (certain runes, rare materials, rare collectible stackables etc.) are not sold in any significant volume.

Look at any MMO and see what you can dabble in, economically:

- Multiple armor pieces
- Weapons
- Shields
- Jewelery
- Self-crafted items
- Consumables
- Craft material
- Craft recipes
- Tools (craft/gathering)
- Dye
- Vanity items

Here is what you can dabble in, economically, in Guild Wars:

- A small portion of the runes available to players in the game
- A small portion of the crafting materials available to players in the game
- Three of the dyes in the game... maybe
- Vanity items

There is no economy in this game because no economy can exist when almost every saleable item is, technically, useless. It might impact the tiny number of people who spend a substantial amount of time trading high-end vanity weapons. The other 99% of us aren't even going to notice you, though, as we're buying a new set of armor from an NPC in Drok's.

Jeremy Untouchable · Jan 11, 2008, 09:07 PM // 21:07

/\ true words Ctb

genofreek · Jan 11, 2008, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by Ctb

There is no economy to speak of in Guild Wars, there hasn't been for years, and the design of the game never really allowed a sustainable one to exist anyway. I don't know how people who play this game have managed to convince themselves there's some bubbling economic brew underlying their trades, but there isn't. The only meaningful items in the game are all available through money sinks. The few exceptions (certain runes, rare materials, rare collectible stackables etc.) are not sold in any significant volume.

Look at any MMO and see what you can dabble in, economically:

- Multiple armor pieces
- Weapons
- Shields
- Jewelery
- Self-crafted items
- Consumables
- Craft material
- Craft recipes
- Tools (craft/gathering)
- Dye
- Vanity items

Here is what you can dabble in, economically, in Guild Wars:

- A small portion of the runes available to players in the game
- A small portion of the crafting materials available to players in the game
- Three of the dyes in the game... maybe
- Vanity items

There is no economy in this game because no economy can exist when almost every saleable item is, technically, useless. It might impact the tiny number of people who spend a substantial amount of time trading high-end vanity weapons. The other 99% of us aren't even going to notice you, though, as we're buying a new set of armor from an NPC in Drok's.

True that. It takes so long to sell anything remotely worthwhile that the few plat you get for your mods and stuff aren't even worth the hours you'll spend desperately hoping someone sees your message in the flooded trade window. It's to the point where I cut prices by nearly half just to sell quickly and be done with it. I still like the game and all, but I just hate the trade system. Maybe it worked when there weren't as many players, but just try READING the Trade channel in LA Dis 1. Don't even try to sell, just read it. The party window was a step in the right direction. Now if only number of characters weren't so limited. :P

It's not even worth it unless you're selling some e-peen vanity item, like ultra-rare minis, tormenteds, or elemental swords. And even then, they'd better be absolutely perfect.

Zeek Aran · Jan 11, 2008, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

armor costs 1k per piece

Fixed. 121212